that is that it is beyond a reasonable doubt. >> viscerally i would like to see this man said i want this case tried, i want to see this man put to death -- >> they would have to testify in this case and relive it. >> they would have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt, each count and testify about the details of each one, which would be painfully horrible. prison is not easy. i've been to prison. i've been to laurp and deposed a person. it was a horrible three hours. prison is horrible for people. there is punishment life in jail is not pleasant. >> go ahead. >> erin, i think this makes an important case of why we have the death penalty on the books. because frankly this gives us something to bargain with. if there were no death penalty,