rebels as some of you had wanted or the rebels end up triumphing as a result of some kind of intervention that you're handing over authority to bad guys. >> i thought the president did a pretty good job of knocking that down. the one thing i can tell everybody at this table and anybody still his tong this debate there are 35 million syrians. the likelihood they're fighting to get rid of assad to be ruled by al qaeda is zero. are there al qaeda members filling in the vacuum? yeah, most of them are coming from iraq. there's indigenous problems and they're foreign fighters. i have no concern whatsoever that al qaeda will win by force of arms at the ballot box in syria. are the rebels mixed? are they radicals within the rebels? will it be a confusion mess the day after assad falls? yes. but to say that this -- our nation shouldn't help the opposition because al qaeda is present in syria will lead to an al qaeda run nation is to me just not plausible. i thought the president did a