charged with the homicide given that they told him to drop the gun three times? >> well, that would require you to believe that in 1.5 seconds he was capable of yelling three times get your hands up, exit his vehicle, draw his weapon, dump two bullets into the stomach of this baby, this child. if you believe that, then i guess you can follow the logic of that statement, much of what i'm hearing today is complete nonsense. now the conversation has gone to the size of the child. none of that matters. the point -- the ultimate point is that these officers violated clear training protocols and they escalated the situation when it is clear they should have chose to de-escalate the situation. there is no two ways about it. the ruling is homicide and that officer should be charged with murder. >> so you mentioned the size of the child. let me ask you about that, harry. tamir was 12 years old but he