ten-year-old child. there are two families that there grieving for the people that are dead. counsel, you got your work cut out for you. my prediction, he's going to roll over and give up conspirators real quick. >> what do you make of this as a lawyer who has not represented daron wint. >> it's astonishing to hear an attorney get on the air and outline that he's innocent when he's not spoken to him and doesn't know whether he's guilty or innocent. we have to know what the facts and the evidence is before we can speculate about whether he's in fact guilty or innocent to the crime. i heard about the presumption of innocence. but that doesn't mean you're actually innocent. charlie manson was presumed innocent jeffrey dahmer and john wilkes booth. doesn't mean you're innocent. >> so was a man recently idy fended in court.