that the president doesn't really distinguish between his personal lawyer, somebody like rudy giuliani and bill barr who is the attorney general of the united states. so that's a problem -- that's a problem for the public because that's the president's point of view. what's a little bit less clear is whether bill barr knew and has been engaged in conversations regarding digging up kirt on the bidens from a foreign government. if he's involved certainly that's problem attic and we don't yet have those facts. >> i want to tell you to respond to the breaking news of the envoy, mr. volcker resigning. i want people to understand why he's central. starting in mid-may they were deeply concerned about mr. giuliani's circumhave noting proes e to relay back and forth