gate alan lakavara. guiliani has been refusing to cooperate with the impeachment inquiry, sort of defiant and mocking of much of this. but there is now -- their a lot of wagons circling. >> a lot. look, talk about tables turning. i mean, he was for so long the dogged prosecutor. he was for so long the person who went after, you know, individuals who he thought were corrupt and so forth and now he is on the other end of that and not really knowing how to deal with that. an he's as you said he told our colleague michael warren that he didn't know anything about being the target of any crimes, any potential -- anything beyond you know just what he did politically, but actually committing a crime. >> right. >> and but the fact that these two people who he worked so