you have the secretaries of the interagency process which is involved in ukraine, namely the state department, and the national security adviser all imploring the president to do what's in the country's best interest which is to supply this aid to the ukraine to help it defend itself against russia. so if trump isn't listening to them, his foreign policy and defense advisors, then he must be listening to somebody else, and this foreign policy is being done not in the best interest of the country, but in the best interest of someone else and here we learn that rudy giuliani, from every witness at this point is running a shadow foreign policy which is basically in the best interest of his clients. people like donald trump and also others who may be foreign actors. so this is disturbing, to say the least. >> all right. look, a lot of this is going to come down to, you know, your next round of witnesses, right?