president today. but you have covered congress a long time. you've seen lawmakers take a lot of bills to the brink. but this -- this really feels, in some ways, a little bit different, doesn't it? i mean, this is -- this is a schism. it doesn't just seem like it's policy that they are disagreeing on. it really is -- as i -- maybe used too strong a word but this is a moral issue for some of them. >> yeah. there are really, really big differences. the closest i think that i can remember that the democratic party has come to where they are now is right before they ended up passing obamacare. and that was, again, a democratic president, democrats in charge of the house and the senate. and it took a very long time, and there was a lot of intraparty fighting. the difference between then and now is light years when it comes to where the party is. and that -- by that, i mean that it is true that for the most part the progressive agenda, the things that bernie sanders has