really feeling in terms of pain and listen to them. listen to what their frustrations are with the economy. >> it is interesting. and one thing heard a lot of in that virginia governor's race. terry mcauliffe did it in an interview i had with him over and over again is tying to try glenn youngkin to donald trump. listen to this. >> he is bought and paid for by donald trump. >> everything trump says, this guy's in on. >> he is a trump wannabe. >> he is a trump acolyte. we don't need a donald trump in khakis. >> that didn't work in virginia and your focus group, i think i saw it written that your focus group kind of laughed at this when you kind of brought it up. is the message then, brian, from -- that democrats should just ignore trump and trumpian politics, altogether? i mean, what do you think the takeaway of that is? >> i think the takeaway is that voters -- look, this may have been the best choice to this campaign. i can't quarterback that. but what we learned in 2016 and 2018 and 2020 and, again, in