department official, who the committee is trying to bring in for -- for interview. but who is fighting a subpoena that it has issued to him. now, clark and -- and scott perry were in touch, according to the committee and according to testimony from other justice department officials who have provided testimony to this committee, about various conspiracy theories about elections -- about -- sorry, about the election machines. and the fact that the trump supporters believe that they were used to steal the election. um, according to the committee in this letter to -- to -- to -- to scott perry, they say that they know he was in touch via text and other communications with mark meadows. the former chief of staff of the former president. and they also know that he was communicating using signal, an encrypted -- encrypted app and so that's one of the things they want to discuss with perry if he comes in for this voluntary