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>> bret: well, i have listened to a lot of legal experts talk about the indictment and alan dershowitz and others said the ricoh can get you to the courtroom, can get into the crowd but it does not help you appeal perhaps sometimes falls apart. you have to look through all the specifics inside this indictment and we are just getting into the 98 pages. some reporting that they have some communications between trump legal team in the trunk folks with this breach of election machines in coffee county, georgia, that was never to get evidence about false claims. that could be one of the actions we are looking at. we're going to take into the 98 pages. but what we can say is that there are not just the former president, but you have a lot of other named people who are being charged here. >> trace: and before i let you go, we talked about this with
because they were all in the fervor instead of trying to overturn the georgia election results. so that explains it, and i think that it is a very interesting and certainly expansive way for her to approach this, because a lot of us, i think before we saw this document, we're anticipating that this was going to be a lot more limited. they were going to home in and drill down on what happened in georgia, including the fake electors and the effort to get into those election machines. so, the idea that she has gone a big and expensive on this is i think very interesting. >> it is also interesting, it has been a while since i read that jack smith indictment, because that was weeks ago. >> an eternity ago. >> so in dog years it was a long time ago, but my recollection of the smith indictments is that, temporally, in the timeline, it begins with january six. it is, with the election, i
and allow donald trump to remain in office. so the plan was, all of those things, not just to the idea that pence could just declare donald trump the president, the other thing that is interesting to me, that we should also remember. there are a lot of people who are not household names indicted in this indictment and those people are accused of actually really serious stuff. including attempting to tamper with ballots, a tamper with election machines, the real nuts and bolts of trying to steal the election. if you are trying to make a movie about how keystone cocked would be trying to steal an election, it would be the stuff that is in here. those people are actually charged with crimes associated with those activities and it is not just about words and schemes, they were trying to mess with the ballots. >> 30 individuals not charged, 30 coconspirators. andy mccabe, i'm about to jump all but what is the most
the united states. it is an illegal act tad that. and there is a way to contest elections, you know, that happens all the time. but the idea that the federal government could come in and seize election machines. i don't understand why i would have to tell you why that's a bad idea. it's a terrible idea. >> so is cipollone getting a little splug? i don't know why i have to tell you. here's why. to the point that fonnie willis makes, they were going to take this pro trump county, this county trump won by a whole lot. hack into it. rudy giuliani is in contact with those actors. they've all been charged criminally now in georgia. and that was going to be the predicate for seizing voting machines and throwing our entire democracy into disarray. again, wlag fonnie willis does
is, it gives us further proof that the tampering of election machines in coffey county, georgia, is one of, we think, several threats that district attorney fani willis is looking at, as she considers who to bring charges against and what charges to bring. when it comes to the coffey county election machines, my colleagues have been reporting for months. about the tampering of election machines in coffey county. what the text messages allegedly show us is further proof that for former president trump and members of his inner circle, were involved in getting access to those machines.
attorney fani willis is looking at, as she considers who to bring charges against and what charges to bring. when it comes to the coffey county election machines, my colleagues have been reporting for months. since almost immediately after january 6th, 2021, about the tampering of election machines in coffey county. what the text messages allegedly show us is further proof that former president trump and members of his inner circle, were involved in getting access to those machines. working with leaders and helping to disseminate the private election data they obtained from those machines. those text messages could help
tia mitchell is the washington correspondent for "the atlanta journal-constitution." >> thanks for having me. >> ahead of a possible fourth indictment for donald trump, we're seeing a new development in the georgia election interference probe, with prosecutors claiming to have text messages and e-mails link ing trump's legal team to voting system breaches. and this as fani willis presents to a grand jury and she is seeking indictment of a dozen people of early as tuesday as this week. what is the significance of this new development? and could it be a game-changer? >> well, so, the significance is, it gives us further proof that the tampering of election machines in coffey county, georgia, is one of, we think, several threats that district
that is detailed as we may see in fani willis's case. and remember to your point, and in the oval office, at that meeting, plan a was let's see if we can get the military to seize the election machines and pat sip a loan was like, that is not happening. over my dead body. and so this was this effort to try and get it in coffee county. i would note and i think something that is useful for people to keep an eye out for, though, is whether there will be some sort of good faith dissent. because there is an effort and you alluded to it to try and get permission to access this. and so i'll be very interested to see how the charges, this charge, how they deal with that issue. in other words, were there people who were clearly new that you couldn't legally get access to this and yet they were still trying to, quote, get permission but it wasn't anything other
legally possible for him to do that, that you couldn't give this kind of permission. but remember, you have to -- if you were a prosecutor, you're thinking about what will the defense try to come up with, and how do you defeat that and that is the thing that i'm very focused on, is how do they deal with that issue. agree with you, nicolle, that time line, you know, it doesn't defeat the whole case in any way. but it is an issue with respect to just a charge that has to do with breaching those particular election machines which is a separate potential charge. you do wan to make sure that they knew that -- that permission was not actually valid. >> harry, there is always a part in any trump story where you think if someone wrote this in a movie, it would get sent back to the writers room for being too dumb or too implausible. but this coffee county voting machine makes it to the oval office. and let me read you the draft