russia in 2011 and 2012 when president putin came back into power once again. he believed it's the united states that were behind the protests so this doesn't offer anything new for president putin. of course, you could say it offers a convenient or useful sound byte but that's been played with russians. this is one of the things that president putin does to maintain power at home is to scapegoat, blame the united states for russia's problems. to me, there is noting new here and i heard some people suggest that it increases the stake in ukraine. i think president putin understands the stakes. he knows that his power is tied or will be affected by what happens in ukraine so the fact that president biden with this off the cuff comment doesn't escalate the stakes for putin in ukraine. >> general hertling, what putin has to do is define what he defines as victory in ukraine, back to this point of not having a clear mission.