give them what they believe rather than the truth. >> yeah. what's fascinating -- and that's exactly the motivation. right? i mean, scott's totally right. that fox news spent the entire trump presidency deciding that they would go along with his lies, just acquiesce to everything he said because they knew it would make their base mad if they bucked him. then they were faced with this scenario after the election where it's like do we side with reality or do we side with the audience? they chose to side with the audience. tucker carlson did, he called out sidney powell on air in november 2020 saying this is nonsense, we asked her for evidence, she couldn't provide it, quietly he said it was total garbage. on the air he says we hope she comes up with it. and what happens two weeks later? back on the air. she gets kicked off trump's team but fox welcomes her back. because that was it, what's what the audience wanted to see and that's what they were going to deliver. >> and publicly, to make it clear, privately you've got he's a nut, this is ludicrous, liar and then publicly sean hannity, tucker carlson, laura dane ingraham, all of whom were saying these things privately said these things.