al zawahiri who took over as head of al qaeda, he's in pakistan. i have a passage in the book which shows that certainly in 2005 they were hiding him, the pakistani government. >> do you think the pakistani government knows where al zawahiri, the head of it, is? >> yes. >> the pakistani military is sustained by american military aid. >> we should never use the word "allil "ally" or "partner" when it comes to pakistan. we're not. we're operating across purposes. the reason we've had so much trouble in afghanistan is because of more than a decade of pakistani policy. they are going to use the taliban as an instrument. i think you can expect the taliban to gain significant ground in the south of pakistan where they had the connection there. the north will not be under their control. the real battle will ultimately be for kabul, whether you have a functioning central area. pakistan will continue to be an enormous problem and we're limited simply by the fact that we can't do too much against them because we don't want pakistan to fail. it's got the largest -- the