to be, which there were vaccine mandates all over the country. you couldn't go to public school if you weren't vaccinated. how do you get back to that ethos? >> i think it's a lot of work. this is the reason i'm running for governor in massachusetts. our democracy is what we live or die by. the pandemic showed us that. it's going to take work on multiple fronts in order for us to get back there. i think actually we have to equip ourselves at the local level. we have decision making tools that are depolarizing. but i think it's also about our culture and how we orient ourselves to one another and recognizing we have a set of multiple things we care about. we care about public health. we care about freedom as well. we don't need to start by assuming those things are in competition. we need to start by asking the question, how can we align these different goods and ideals that we do actually hold in common? >> a lot of people believe that