>> the biggest problem i think in the original translation was this line here. some of the coptic here, jesus calls judas the 13th dimon. and it was translated in the original translation with the word spirit. >> why do you try so hard? >> but in fact, this word means demon. >> this single word changes the whole interpretation. >> i have seen a great vision. you 13th demon. >> so the judas that i saw when i did my own reconstructive work, he's not a hero. judas is a fallen angel. he's a demon.