abandoned church when he dropped off the ransom money. >> harry was the one he was mad at for having turned him down on the loan application. he wanted revenge on harry as much as he wanted the money. >> despite warning harry not to call police, kopenheffer learned that harry did just that because of a journalist who had heard about the kidnapping from the police scanner. >> and i went immediately to the plaza and parked my car. there was not a lot of activity. >> so he walked into david kopenheffer's store and asked what was going on. >> he looked at me and said no, he said, there hasn't been a single thing going on. it's been a very quiet night. there isn't anything going on. at the time i was talking with him, i didn't know that he had killed her.