rappers, football players, even hillary clinton dabbed. >> things were really breaking down behind the scenes and a lot of it stemmed from this divide between rus and colin in terms of what kind of company this was. >> rus and colin did have different visions for the company. rus was all about blowing up hq trivia into this massive thing, right? like let's get bigger prizes. let's get bigger celebrities to host, and that's the future of hq. we're going to build this into a massive show. >> if we could get millions of people to engage for 15 minutes, 7 days a week, that that's -- that's incredibly powerful. >> my understanding from colin was we need to build a platform with a number of different game shows going. we're not going to put all of our eggs in one basket. and that was a pretty dramatic difference of opinion at that stage of the company because you only have so much money. you can choose to try and support the main game, or you