of, well, they want a statement and up didn't even know about anything to do with on july 25ing, you knew nothing about military aid being with held? >> i knew military aid was withheld beginning i believe on july 18th when ambassador taylor told both of us that that was the case. >> but on july -- but you don't know about, you were not on the july 25th call? >> i was not. >> where the aid doesn't come up at all? >> again, i just read the readout when everyone else did. >> everybody has testified it was on the july 25th call, that there was no aid discussed on the july 25th call. so then you're in the process, have you no idea that this is tied to burisma or anybody else. you say you don't realize that until the end of august. >> i didn't realize that aid was tied. the burisma in 2016 piece was