channel? >> i'm not sure how someone could characterize something as an irregular channel when you're talking to the president of the united states, the secretary of state, the national security advisor, the chief of staff of the white house, the secretary of energy. i don't know how that's irregular if a bunch of folks that are not in that channel are aggrieved for some reason for not being included, i don't know how they can consider us to be the irregular channel and they to be the regular channel when it's the leadership that makes the decisions. >> so the concerns raised were never brought to a head? >> well, they were never raised. they were never raised. no one said back off of ukraine, this is dangerous, you're doing something that's untoward, we have concerns. there was a bad phone call on july 25th, there's talk about a