it is a complicated proposal. all i am telling you is that 2k34r5r.5 trillion is much too low. a compromise has already been made. an agreement has been made. >> but there's no final agreement on 3.5, no way, not when the sinema and manchin are saying how about closer to 2. >> it's a compromise from them. they started at $6 trillion and have dom down quite a bit and when you have a narrow majority in the house and senate, it doesn't matter. they need the votes to pass something and without that they don't have the votes right now. >> can a 36 year veteran of the united states senate and eight-year vice president prove to be a little lyndon johnson houdini here. does he need to get involved? >> johnson had a bigger margin of error and when he lost congress he ceased to be the magic deal-maker towards the end of his term so the answer is i don't think so because they are responding to the pressures from their home states and their home districts. >> there's also one additional complicating factor to go back if they end up postponing this