but when you get to the specifics, as you said, the other night in our town hall he said you should be careful about indicting the former president. he shifted a bit saying, there should just be a high threshold. and today he's going even further. it's very, very tricky to do for all of these people who are try ing to get the trump base. >> is it fantasy for people making phone calls, whether you're friends of the current governor, fantasy to be poking around to say, what do you think? is it any different? do we know the answer? >> we don't. there is a real true plurality of republicans looking for something else. there's money, there's donor energy around that. there's just not ability for those people to cobble above the floor that he has. he has his 35%. they are not going to be moving from this.
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