embracing the acts and the things they're doing that may be outside of the church's teachings. one last thing, this is something he had to say about women in the church. he said on that plane ride back from brazil interest needs to be a new theology on women. he said there's not going to be women priests but women need to play a much more active role in the church. needed wherever we make important decisions. women are asking deep questions that must be addressed. the church cannot be herself without the women and her role. just astounding stuff this morning, ashleigh. incredible wide-ranging interview. you can read our full takeout on it on cnn.com/belief. >> he also said in this interview, the door is closed on women's ordination. that may disappoint a lot of catholic liberals. this is an emphatic quote. the door is closed on women's