tell, and patti was generous about the comments about joe biden and he will be, if he gets in, a positive response by many, many the press on the first time, but he has to come forward and not just with the campaign team and a strategy, but he has got to have a rash nail for the run. and right now, hillary clinton coming off of that debate is in a much stronger position to say, look, i can make this, and i can do it, and you know, she is presume pli going to believe she has hearings with benghazi, and so what is the argument for joe biden? until he gets that, he can, i think that he he has the to come tout win that argument in order tole pole vault where he is now, otherwise he is going to be trailing by a lot. >> and ashleigh, i think that rationale to answer david's question, the rationale that the vice president was laying out this morning he would be the