>> the digital world has spawned what's basically a new religion. there's nothing wrong with it. i don't feel it's my place to judge someone else's religion. >> so when you hear of the singularity and hear people continually talk about it, you see that much more as kind of a religious movement versus a technological movement? >> it's really similar to traditional religion. it's this notion that we have the secret to control death, to cure death, you can live forever because you'll be uploaded into the machine. if you miss out, oh, my god, then you're going to be left to die and you won't be uploaded when the singularity happens. >> yeah. >> you know, it's in the eye of the beholder. if you want to believe in it, i can't tell you not to. >> yeah. >> maybe it is more a matter of faith rather than fact whether technology will lead to my living forever. >> we're going to be spending more and more of our time in virtual environments. my brain will be partly biological and non-biological. >> hypothetically. >> but jaron got me thinking,