>> that's right. we do have a close relationship as the white house spokesman said, but we didn't destroy the british newspaper's computers, we didn't stop him. i'm sure we were happy that he was and i'm sure that we will learn what was on that computer material, but this was a british operation, non-american one. >> it seems to add to the stink of this situation. the early criticism of snowden, if you wanted to be a patriot and put out information, go to the whistle-blower places, go to the media here in the u.s., do what you have to. he said i tried t didn't work but that was early criticism. now we have greenwald saying i don't like what did you to my partner. i am going to report more aggressively and put out more documents. what does that suggest about the situation? >> it's horrible. there are lots of journalists who have been very supportive of snowden and greenwald. i'm not. i don't think this is how the system is supposed to work. i think snowden is not a