populations or do you think it's something else? >> i think some of the popcies set in place are racist and classist. we've heard bratton come out and talk about seeing that there's a problem. but he's holding steadfast to policies that don't work. policies that are responsible for the death of eric garner. policies like the broken window policy that i believe do disproportionately affect poor communities and specifically black poor communities. >> low crime isn't enough. it's low crime at what price? >> let me ask you a question, this is an evolving conversation, that's the real problem. what do you do when there's no more crisis? why are we covering it right now, we're in crisis. what happens when there is no crisis. you know you can always come here. out in berkeley, these are not protests, they were riots, there's a difference, okay, when the goal of the organization and the movement is violence, that's not a protest, that's not what our law protects, what do you think about the people doing