should be? >> i would agree with that. i think pakistan recently the military did have an offensive against the taliban. but the problem is, that you, you can't win this battle just by military use alone. you have to tackle the ideology. you have to counter the narratives and beliefs. pakistan as a country has not done that and they won't win the battle until they start doing that. >> how do you think this ends? right now it's active gunfire going on inside. there's suicide bombers involved. we know there are military and paramilitary there. there's been the suggestion of hostages. it is rare for the taliban to want to negotiate, right? they see the ends often as just as much death as possible, isn't that the sad reality? >> you're right. the sad reality is that these guys don't really have something that they want to negotiate. with directly or in terms of their objectives. what they want to do is to cause as much terror to kill as many