>> this word "pluralism" is getting used a lot. i think it's important that you bring it up. pluralism means that everybody has a seat at the table, okay? >> that's right. >> it doesn't mean that when the consensus at the table is that some of the seats don't get what they want they get to bow out. and that is not pluralism, okay? that is pejoratianism. i'm asking for fairness under law, under the constitution of the united states and the 14th amendment of equal protection. if the supreme court finds that same-sex marriage is equally protected. >> states against protecting religious liberty in order to say that the majority view wins. >> your religion cannot be the rule for everyone in america. >> and the dissenters ought to be protected. i'm a christian, i believe to rendering unto caesar that which belongs to caesar but caesar does not own our consciences. >> jesus was talking about taxes when he said that not respecting humanity. >> you think that jesus is not