come in and steal an election but that's what it used to be about is divergent opinions coming in and testing you as the big dog in the raise. now they all say the same thing, i got to see if i can get the money. >> to play devil's advocate one thing the super pacs allow you to do if you're an obscure candidate with a billionaire backer in the old days george w. bush could come in and raise money from individual people and clear the field. now you can set up a super pac who can keep your campaign going longer than it would have been in the old days. >> apparently you need the billionaire. that's the insult to the process here as the word everyday american is now being injected back and everybody saying everyday american now taking us back into the '50s of that type of exploiting of the middle class. but it's not about everyday americans, is it? it's all about how much money you can raise. >> i think it depends what side of the aisle you're on on that. yes, you need to raise a lot of money. but i think if you're hillary clinton you want to be able to bring in the small donations too