those officers when someone's charged with a homicide or murder. the officers tell them lies. they say whatever they need to get what they need out of that person. the officers get to do it in a different way. so the answers -- >> they get to do it in a different way than they do it to themselves. in the bill of rights it says you can only interrogate an officer one-on-one and it's got to be someone they know. which would be a nice thing for perps. >> it's going to be a vanilla statement. it's going to be a statement that just says -- >> unsatisfying truth. >> we don't know how those statements were taken. were these officers separated? you have five different statements taken in five different rooms let's say, it's difficult to coordinate the same story and tell it identically. it's not like you have a panel sitting there, gentlemen, what happened out there. it's going to be done individually. it's going to be very difficult. >> true. the only reason i'm pushing to test this aggressively as i am is there's something inherently troubling about the police investigating themselves.