>> now, what they say, right? because you now have this emerging division in the culture. and one, by the way, men like the one involved here who served and often are only confronted with the worst aspect of islam chrks are the extremists sometimes it's understandable because of their exposure they see it in a very limited way. but few people benefit from that definition. they say it's a first amendment issue. i should be able to do this. nobody is arguing that you don't have the right to show a muhammad cartoon. this is exclusively a moral issue. why don't we like effigies of religion? why don't we like the n word that's a moral question not a legal one. i think it's falsely elevating this dialogue. and to be sure the first and second amendment weren't put together to defend each other. that's not what you should be doing. >> i think it's an interesting debate about where's the line. we were trying to ask pamela geller that but she doesn't even like that question because there should be no line she says. >> she says where do you draw the line. the question is draw wherever you want. nobody's going to argue you don't have the right to draw the