goes away. there's no need for that. you have the policy of inmate labor in the cat walks and the tunnels. there's no reason for those individuals to be used for labor purposes to save a dollar. bring in civilians, plumbers electricians let them fix the problems inside the facility and give the inmates simple jobs around the facility inside. you know new york state says they are going to rehabilitate them by giving them a job. no you are giving them access to crucial parts of the facility and security things that help them significantly. >> jeff dumas, great information. thanks for being on "new day" and thanks for your expertise. thanks so much. we will raise all these issues when we speak more about this case with new york's governor andrew cuomo. back to chris. >> if you think of what happened with the prison escape think to