the officer. they're the ones who called them in. they're the ones who are supposed to know how to handle these kids. we're police officers. we know how to handle crime. we get called into a certain situation, we're going to react a certain way, all right? and that school shooting, but they didn't want to be the bad guy. they wanted the cop to be the bad guy. and that's why this happened. >> there's also the option of not acting a certain way, right? we could make different choices about how we intervene in classrooms. >> you're not a cop, marc. you've never faced anything like this on the street, okay? >> and you've never been a classroom, and i have. >> right. >> so we both can speak from respective circumstances. but as a citizen, as a father, as a reasonable person, i'm saying that that child didn't need to be slammed and choekd. and just because you don't comply with police officer's instructions should not open you up to the full range of violent possibilities of the state of law enforcement. there have to be better choices. >> the reality is, to sum up this part of it, once you create