still leads, 26%, carson has 16%. marco rubio there has tripled his support. he has gone from 13% -- from 4% to 13%. is that the trend line we should be paying attention to? >> that does have some significance. rubio, the consensus among a lot of people is that he did better in the debate than anybody else. i don't know if there was 'winning that particular debate because it was a disaster in many ways. rubio accounted for himself very well. he didn't respond to a lot of the bait that's been thrown his way. he starts to look like, i think the analogy of lanes is exactly right. there are a couple of different primaries beginning on. there's that outsider lane of people who have never been elected to any office. there's the conservative evangelical lane and the practical, experienced lane. rubio has been making the case that he represents enough change and enough experience that he's sort of a safe choice if you want change. >> and he performed well.