apparently the way he communicates best. so, fine. >> is this a compliment that he's now taking a punch at you? >> who knows. jamie, it's like, i think i'm not going to play into the business of spending the precious time you and i have together talking about donald trump. i mean, he's just -- >> oh, yes, we are. >> he's just one of a number of candidates for us to talk about and chew over and i'm not worried about it. >> right. but he is the front-runner. you have avoided criticizing him. but he insists he's now double down and triple down that he saw thousands of muslims celebrating after 9/11 in jersey city. then he says from four miles away in his office, he could see people jumping from the world trade center. do you believe that either of those things happened? >> no. all i know are the facts, you know, that what went on that day in new jersey was not anything