don't focus so much on denial, on judgment, lover, mercy, inclux. >> what about the poor people who show up, they have a pastor who is not following these guidelines, is really by the book. i get this all the time. people come to me, i have to shop for a parish. i go to the next parish and say something else to bap tides them in this parish. not this parish? how is that the universal catholic church? >> so what's the job then? >> well, the bishops have to say to their priests and get on board with the bishop of rome and say to tear priest, it is not your decision. you must do this. and if you are not going to do it, then we're going to remove you and put someone else in who is going to. they have to take a strong line with this. >> that's why the sin-in is so important coming up. >> not just what but how, that's why people are saying as we get back to you, the message, it's not about the man, it's not about francis, it's the message, how will that message take root? here. all right. we have live picture as well. we'll take a look at.