campaign that says we can't tout as much about a wall. this is your most concrete promise heading into the 2016 election and we felt less than 60 miles of replacement wall. most of which was appropriated under the obama administration. so yes, it's important to tout. but he has surrogates on the trail that says we don't know what to tell supporters about why this structure doesn't exist yet. >> right. but let's be careful not to normalize this either, because the political pressures the president might be facing or this idea a businessman doesn't fully appreciate the niceties of law and is just a guy rolling up his sleeves doing whatever it takes to get it done. the reality is this. the president of the united states is instructing aides to break the law to achieve his goals and floating a pardon, a presidential pardon for them if they do so when they express concerns about the legality of his orders. that's insane, folks. >> and by the way, to elena's