doesn't necessarily reflect the current state of america. and like what we feel -- >> you should be writing for cory booker and castro. >> i think, andrew, what you say is right, everybody has to be prepared to go against donald trump. and i don't think it's entirely clear how to deal with that. david axelrod wrote about that in "the times" yesterday, but i do agree with ayesha on this point which is, there is a general argument to be made. it's 2019, there are so many democrats looking at this field going, really, this is it? and the second piece is, okay, so we've got a guy who's so old, who is the established front-runner. is that really moving forward. >> and aren't democrats being a little fickle if they don't like these 20? >> did you see "the new york times" comparison and what trump said -- >> we've got a lot of options and i don't think the age thing is necessarily going to be -- >> the top three front-runners -- >> everybody is 70 and over. so our voters are already speaking that that isn't going to be necessarily their issue. if you want to go at biden on whether or not this is memory or