fiona hill to, alex vindman, don't testify. they were part of the national security council, which john bolton headed. they went in there and did their civic duty and testified. john bolton could go in tomorrow and do this, so the idea that they are prisoners of the court system and bound by what's going on, they're not even -- i mean, they are not bound by that at all, so yes, it is true they can wait to see the resolution of this case, and it is interesting that mcgahn's lawyer said only with the stay will we refuse to testify. but they have a choice to do it today if they want. >> should we move on to giuliani or did you have any other questions? >> let's do it. >> rudy giuliani, prosecutors as we have learned, are looking into his business associates and his consulting business, and there is -- there are interesting subpoenas that indicate what they're interested in. >> yeah. >> here are some of the --