the inside. but with that comes danger. warns long-time nato expert jonathan ial. >> the problem that we have is that we are used to the game of -- of mr. erdogan. what we are not -- what we do not know is what the limits are and the dangers always is that someone will overstep the mark. >> and then france. never an easy relationship within the alliance. macron doesn't speak for europe but tries to. recently, pushing the idea the alliance's past fit for purpose and trump is part of the problem. >> there's no question that in general trump's statements were distinctly unhelpful. and have shaken the alliance to the core. the brits lead the camp that say that trump is a temporary phenomenon. and will go away. the french lead the other camp.