i suppose the question is there a sweet spot? >> there is a sweet spot. this is the art of governing. this is the herding of cats, the making of sausage, giving it's democrats negotiating between themselves, the a.o.c.s and joe manchin's of the world, this is too big a deal for the democrats to zru up. they're capable of. but this is a big deal and they will find a way to move this forward. pelosi says i have to pump the brakes on passing infrastructure tomorrow which is not going to satisfy some folks, the ball is in the democrat's court right now. and they will find a way to have something resembling common ground for all the squabbling w. >> great to see you both here. >> infrastructure, intelligence test. >> it is affirming, though, it is good to see, right, that they can pass something substantive? >> yesterday you heard the president say everyone said i couldn't do this. we're doing. we're doing this.