folks i talked to do not remember him telling people, treat him as if he's positive on the rest of this trip. that struck folks as not in line with what actually happened. but i think meadows -- he seemed to think he was writing a story that would be received as, oh, look, this is proof trump was negative before the debate. this is just proof that he had a positive test. yes, i did chase and was trying to get confirmation of. we don't know enough about the other kinds of tests. we don't know about what was happening when he headed in against an opponent, who was susceptible to the coronavirus. >> we played sound yesterday of dodging questions when the president did or didn't test positive. jonathan reiner said conley should have resigned or stood in the way of trump doing the debate. >> dr. reiner is in a better position to decide what another