are people saying, what's the president doing? why isn't he doing anything? so these are critical, critical, realtime communications the committee now has. >> any more visibility on who he is texting with? >> we don't know yet. but a lot of people had mark meadows' cell phone. a lot of reporters had mark meadows' cell phone. but let's think about who might be texting him. members of congress, rally organizers, other white house officials. so this is -- you know, he's the point person. people are not texting. donald trump doesn't text. and i think those are going to become public. >> paul, what do you think about this? >> well, it's a road map. you don't need meadows' testimony if you already have his text wall testimony in realtime of what is happening.