your op-ed here. how do you respond? >> well, the point of the op-ed is so say we have conflicting emotions when that happens. there is a sense of frustration, sometimes satisfaction, but i think we can't give into these emotions. it is not a moral choice to celebrate someone's death. >> you say basically in this context, shodden fried is immoral. don't find another person's misery a source of satisfaction. it is immoral and one day you may be the unfortunate one. what are you seeing of people when they're responding to folks who have died from covid who are vaccine deniers? >> online you see people reacting with glee and then sometimes even trolling their survivors. trying to make it even worse for them. it is a sad situation and i think it really does warp our