if they do intervene, how far are they willing to go? are they willing to have a direct confrontation with vladimir putin, which is what he seems to want. >> i want to play a moment that we saw, we didn't see, but millions and millions of russians saw it on state television. and this is a tv editor who actually works at russia channel 1, that's why she had access to the set. and this says no war, this is an anti-war message, she is telling russians you're getting propaganda, you're getting lies here. what did you think of this moment? >> i thought it was incredibly brave. she did this knowing what the punishment is these days. the russian parliament just passed a law that makes something like this punishable by up to 15 years in jail. and what we're hearing this morning coming out of moscow is that the police have not only arrested and charged her, but they're going with a maximum pressure, right, with the maximum punishment. the low end is a fine. i think it was incredibly brave,