this say death penalty case is playing into that? i bring that up, look, there's nothing more serious in american jurisprudence than the state deciding we're going to kill someone. so this is one of the highest stakes process you can see? or is it the other stuff, you know what i mean by the other stuff, the sexy talk? >> reporter: well, my sense is, it really has to do with jodi. most people believe that she's guilty, most people believe they're here to support travis. but they believe that jodi is driving them here. they feel her explanations just aren't right. that she's lying on that stand. she's fooling everyone. she can't believe, or doesn't understand what people are saying about her. and they feel that they want to see her in person. they get great satisfaction out