you with me? >> yes. it is democracy. you have to know what you don't know. and sometimes we're prepared to give up our ability to know something in order to keep secrets from our enemies. remember today, anything we know they know. the great tragedy is that the story was broken by a man named glen greenwalt from the guardian. he's an american barbshbasher. he hates america. he says a little terrorism is not a bad thing. it is like being struck by lightning. he doesn't even approve of the use of the word terrorism. he says terrorism is an excuse for allowing america and america's allies to use our own state terrorism. he's the worst possible person to begin this debate. we need nuance, we need calibration. we need, as the president correctly said, to be willing to compromise with some privacy, and some convenience, as long as we have oversight, as long as it doesn't go too far, as long as we limit it to gathering general information and when we get