others were in the stairwell, there you stayed about an hour and a half before you finally felt like it was okay to make it to the ground level outside where the shopping mall is and where the entrance is. when you got to that mall level, what did you see and experience? >> when we finally got out to the shopping center or to the super market, people were telling us to be quiet. i was pretty afraid it was unsafe to exit, but i did anyway. there were still employees of the super market who were standing there, to some degree directing us to exit. there was blood on the floor, not a substantial amount, but drops that looked like someone that had been wounded had either walked or been carried out of the super market, the same path we were taking. we walked through the hardware section and grocery section and onto their sort of storeroom or stock room, then out the loading