in terms of how we move forward, let's say obviously he's accepting, he's talking to you all, but what is this about? this is where i'm confused. is it about obama care? is it about entitlements? >> it's about our spending problems and all of those things are kribtding to our debt and deficit. certainly, the mandatory spending program, our auto pilot programs, medicare, medicaid, social security, they're the drivers of our debt. >> which is it, if i could try to get it from you? >> a menu. >> all of the above. >> >> all of the above. we would like to negotiate on all of those fronts. what we're trying to do is get to a point where we can stop spending more money than we take in year after year after year. no individual family can do that, no small business at home in kansas can do that. the federal government cannot continue to operate like this. we have $17 trillion in debt.